How you can solve 7 problems, and go having NO SALES and NO SUBSCRIBERS to $3149.71 in 3 months.
When I was struggling to create my first proper digital product (I’d done a few odds and ends before but nothing I felt I could release – does that sound familiar?) I had a lot of problems:
My Problems
1) Should I do my own graphics or outsource? If I outsourced where should I go. I’d seen some horror stories about using sites like eLance.
2) Who should I go to for advise on the content of my eBook? Was it good enough.
At the time I think it was about 7 pages and I was findind it hard to make longer.
I didnt want to pad it out with fluff like you see in so many eBooks.
3) How do I write the sales page and emails
4) How do I get testimonials?
5) How do I sell it. Do I use Paypal?
6) How do I setup a mini site?
I had many websites already since 1999, one had 1000s of pages, but a site selling and ebook is different and you need to get it right.
7)How do I get affiliates or JV partners to sell it?
With no traffic how could I get any sales at all.
This was in August 2007. I’d been selling physical products online since 1999, but couldn’t break into the information business.
The answer turned out to be simple. I joined two forums – John Thornhill’s Planet Forum and Lee McIntyres Standing Start Profits. Inside I was able to get answers and advice.
Here’s the answers to the above problems:
My Solutions
1) The graphics I outsourced on eLance but scrapped in a few days after everyone hated them and I went with someone from a forum who was recommended by other members.
2) This one was easy, I just sent the eBook to some forum members and they suggested adding step by step instructions with screen shots. In a couple of weeks it to well over 20 pages, and the final version was 44 pages.
3) The sales page was really the hardest part but again loads of help was available, and I hired copywriting expert Randy Smith to write the emails. I figured his copy would sell so many more copies that it would easily pay his fee (and he became my first affiliate too which was a bonus).
4) Testimonials weren’t hard either – the people I’d sent the eBook to wrote them for me.
5) I was lucky to get the advice of John Thornhill on how to sell it and went with Clickbank. He became the biggest affiliated selling many hundreds of copies (he still gets sales today nearly 2 and a half years after it was released)
6) Setting up the mini site was again done with advice of colleagues. It takes time to get it right. Make sure have a good affiliate page with banners and emails or you won’t get top quality affiliates to promote it.
7) Some affiliates appeared almost by themselves, although I did have to do some emailing and PMing to get the bigger ones.
Don’t be intimidated by the thought of approaching a big name. If you have a good product and give them a good commission some should agree.
I’m putting no links in this post because I want it to be information only with nothing to lead people away half way through – if you want to know more about which forums I’m in or have any other questions or tips please comment below.
Disclaimer
This disclaimer is the bit people usually do not tell you so that their headlines look better!
1) Not all the $3149.71 was from sales of my eBook, I had commissions on a few eBooks sold to people on the list I built, they are however directly connected.
[This is only my commission so the actual sales would be over $6000 since I gave 50% commission and clickbank take fees as well. Please note most people would quote the total sales so it looks better.]
2) The 1143 subscribers included my affiliate list of 79, and a total of 294 have since unsubscribed.
3) The 3 months is the time it took me to setup everything and get the first sales. Some of the sales and subscribers came later, but it was all on auto-pilot and I did very little more work on the product, so the results came from those 3 months.
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Hi Keith, good advice here, I still learning my way through this process, I have completed my first product about eBay selling and have it on clickbank, I am looking to find some affilites for the product so any advice would be gratefully accepted. Quality blog content as always well done!
Regards
Rob
Hi Rob,
Looks like you’ve got everything covered, good graphics, affiliate tools, loads of bonuses, testimonial from John – is he promoting it?
Are you on Jim Cockrum’s forum? You could consider offering him it free for his members area in return for him promoting it to his list, or give him 100% commission (obviously not via clickbank as they only allow up to 75% I think).
There quite a few guest experts in there with eBay lists that are worth contacting.
If you’re in planet forum you could contact Ed Buchanan there.
One of my adswap partners Alan Petersen also has an eBay list so he maybe interested.
By second Ebay eBook didn’t do anywhere near as well – I’m not sure if the marekt has changed or the first one appealled to people more.
After that I changed to giving something away free to build a list and upsell my main product when they opt-in.
If you like I can review it and do a testimonial then do an AR sequence exchange ie I put you in mine and you put one of my emails in yours (It would go straight away to over 1000 people as most are at the end of my sequence so should get a couple of sales)
Thanks
Keith
Fantastic post Keith…. I must remember to link to it
Randy

Randy Smith´s last blog ..I can’t beat them, But I have more free software for webmasters
Thanks Randy,
This is a tip I got from David Walker – mention people’s names and they may well turn up and comment especially if they have google alerts set
Just working out who I can mention in my next post
Nice post Keith – really solid advice you bring here. I especially like the fact you’re including the disclaimers, as that’s where most of the big shots lose my “vote”.
Morten´s last blog ..An Antidote for Bad Infoproducts
Thanks Morten,
I saw this mentioned in a skype text chat the other day – how big gurus miss out critical details to make the figure looks better.
One thing they always seem to do is say ‘I make $10,000 per month’ or whatever amount, but they don’t. They quote their turnover and ‘forget’ to mention they paid out 50% in commission and a lot more in other expenses.
I think it obvious if I buy something for $200 and sell it for $300 I’ve made $100 not $300.
I think I could ‘make’ $100,000 per month if I bought $200,000 worth of stuff and sold if half price [end of rant]
(I’m editing the time on my replies so they appear next to peoples comments as it looks tidier)
Hi Keith,
Some excellent advice here and for anyone reading this, it just goes to prove that product creation doesn’t have to be that difficult!
Thank you for leaving such a detailed comment on my latest blog post, I will try and answer your questions as soon as I can!
David
David Walker´s last blog ..Are You Ready to Make the Breakthrough?
Thanks David,
I’ve know for a while I had a few road blocks still, but at least I’ve got the product creation and list building going reasonable well.
I think a lot of people expect success to come very fast and aren’t prepared to take the time to build their business step by step.
Hi Keith many thanks for your comments and the advice, I really appreciate the responce.
Cheers
Rob
Hi Keith thanks for the kind offer of a review and being added to the AR sequence. I would very much like to take you up on your kind offer. Let me know if you need anything, you can contact me by E-mail and I will give you the URL of the download page. There may also be some stuff on my blog of interest to your list, take a look and help yourself to anything that might be of use. here is the link.
http://robert-corrigan.com/freebie-friday-giveaway-page/
many thanks
Rob
Hi again Rob,
I’m going to help everyone out as much as I can, so that we can all build our businesses up.
This will be my first AR swap, but I hope to do more in the future as I think they will work out well.
Hi Keith
At last someone with real down to earth advice. No hype and fluff. The net really needs more people like you with this kind of information and a lot less of the instant riches.
Thanks Helena,
I seem to have got a good response with this approach so I’m going to carry on making this kind a post.
I will include mentioning my second eBook which didn’t do well, my turning point last year, and the problems I still have to overcome to build my business further.
Hi Keith
Thank you for such an honest account of the problems you faced in your own business.
Not so many marketers would talk about things like that as we are led to believe its soooo easy (lol).
Which of course we know it isn’t.
Forums where mentioned a lot in how you overcome your problems and I totally agree with you there.
They are the first place I would go to if I was having difficulties or needed to ask if anyone new a good designer, copywriter etc.
The problem is a lot of newbies don’t like to post in forums because they think they will be asking daft questions. If only they new that we all asked daft questions too (lol).
Thanks again for a great post and keep them coming.
Dawn Kay
Hey Keith,
I agree with what Dawn said, you made the right choice by harnessing the power of forums and their members.
I think it’s important that you stated all the things you required to complete your ebook product, it’s not just as simple as writing a pdf document and your good to go.
You mentioned needing graphics, mini site, sales copy, emails, etc.
These can be quite pricey at times and people don’t tend to think of them when they decide to write their own ebook, but these parts of the product are just as important as the actual ebook itself.
You can have the best ebook in the world, but with poor graphics and bad copywriting it would be lucky to sell 1 copy.
Great post, Sally
Hi Keith,
I was going to have a joke rant about you being such a “Goodie-Two-Shoes”, but I thought you might be a sensitive “young” man (unlike this Yorkshire lot over here) so I’m just going to say…
“What a load of Baloney”!!! ……… most of the Gurus come out with, totally unlike your genuine offers of help!
Thanks Keith, it does help to see this business from the inside, warts and all. I found your post very interesting and would love to have read something couched in a similar vein about 3 years ago. It’s a real breath of fresh air after recently watching another long video full of BS by some young money-grabber, waffling on and on about wanting to “Give something back” – and then asking a small fortune for the offer he was pitching!!! What a farce they make it seem, no wonder IM gets a bad name in some parts.
Anyway, about that rant I wasn’t going to have – haha!!
Thanks Keith, I hope to be in a position to come back to you sometime to do my own part in promoting for you, you deserve it, and I owe it to you after that post alone!
John
John´s last blog ..Welcome – to a faintly military view of Internet Marketing!
Thanks Dawn, Sally, and John,
As I’ve met all of you in various forums it just goes to show how well they can work, but as Dawn said a lot of people do not use them to their full potential.